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Redhead 4-turn steering gearbox (18510-4T)--Should I worry about my clockspring?

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So my gearbox is beat to hell after several years of abuse, and I'm about to order a new one from Redhead. I was happy with the last/current box and believe me when I say it's not the box's fault it needs to be replaced.

That said, something I never noticed the first time around is that, beyond just the standard 18510 (3-turn) box, they also offer a 4-turn box, which provides more mechanical leverage and is probably a bit less stress on the system given my 35" mud tires and all the other ways I abuse this Jeep's steering components.

My question is whether installing a 4-turn gearbox is going to mean certain doom for my clockspring. I already had to replace the clockspring right after buying the jeep because I purchased it with an ABS light on, and the turn signals were not behaving properly (I think one side didn't work). It's not caused me any problems since then, but I'd rather avoid breaking this clockspring because the darn thing was pretty pricey.

Does anyone know with high confidence that the 4-turn box is or is not a valid point of concern for the well-being of my clockspring? I'm hoping to place the order tonight and pick the box up Wednesday morning. Any advice is appreciated.

Bonus question: This one is about sector shaft braces.

My current gearbox is being put out to pasture because of a lot of lateral play in the sector shaft and input shaft, so I've started to think that one of these sector shaft braces might be a good idea to protect the new gearbox and keep everything nice and tight. I've only found two decent-looking options online for a gearbox sector shaft brace:



If anyone has any experience or knowledge about alternatives or whatever, I'd love to hear from you--especially if you know exact specs for where I could order the bearing that's being used in these other kits so I can cut out the middle man and fab up something myself and maybe save $150-200.

It seems like there are a bazillion people making sector shaft braces for the XJ and for the JK and JL, but for some reason the TJ is getting slim pickings...
 
For all that effort sounds like you could just afford a PSC and upgrade to hydro steer now or when you're ready.

I bought a regular 3 turn Redhead and it's working great in deep snow and occasional rocks with 35s.

-Mac
 
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A steering box brace isn't going to help a steering box last longer. They are to keep the frame from flexing when the steering box has forces on it. That is why you see braces for all the shitbox unibody jeeps. They fatigue and fall apart eventually
 
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So my gearbox is beat to hell after several years of abuse, and I'm about to order a new one from Redhead. I was happy with the last/current box and believe me when I say it's not the box's fault it needs to be replaced.

That said, something I never noticed the first time around is that, beyond just the standard 18510 (3-turn) box, they also offer a 4-turn box, which provides more mechanical leverage and is probably a bit less stress on the system given my 35" mud tires and all the other ways I abuse this Jeep's steering components.

My question is whether installing a 4-turn gearbox is going to mean certain doom for my clockspring. I already had to replace the clockspring right after buying the jeep because I purchased it with an ABS light on, and the turn signals were not behaving properly (I think one side didn't work). It's not caused me any problems since then, but I'd rather avoid breaking this clockspring because the darn thing was pretty pricey.

Does anyone know with high confidence that the 4-turn box is or is not a valid point of concern for the well-being of my clockspring? I'm hoping to place the order tonight and pick the box up Wednesday morning. Any advice is appreciated.

Bonus question: This one is about sector shaft braces.

My current gearbox is being put out to pasture because of a lot of lateral play in the sector shaft and input shaft, so I've started to think that one of these sector shaft braces might be a good idea to protect the new gearbox and keep everything nice and tight. I've only found two decent-looking options online for a gearbox sector shaft brace:



If anyone has any experience or knowledge about alternatives or whatever, I'd love to hear from you--especially if you know exact specs for where I could order the bearing that's being used in these other kits so I can cut out the middle man and fab up something myself and maybe save $150-200.

It seems like there are a bazillion people making sector shaft braces for the XJ and for the JK and JL, but for some reason the TJ is getting slim pickings...

If you need a steering gear brace, then what you really need is hydro assist.
 
A steering box brace isn't going to help a steering box last longer. They are to keep the frame from flexing when the steering box has forces on it. That is why you see braces for all the shitbox unibody jeeps. They fatigue and fall apart eventually

Thanks for your input on that. Any thoughts/insight as far as the 4-turn box and its ability to be paired safely with the OEM clockspring (on a '99 specifically)?
No. is the answer to this question. I had a 4 turn box on my TJ for a while and it's not an issue if the clockspring was properly centered when fitted.

Awesome--thanks!


I guess now I get to find out if I properly centered it when I installed it. 😂
 
I just removed my 4 turn redhead box. It did not cause issues with my 1997 clockspring. I ran it for 5 years no problem other than the loose steering.
 
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