If I tap the pedal it revs and then settles back down to 2300
That is incredible. I never had to continue to rev and not stop with a tap of the pedal.
I am perplexed!
If I tap the pedal it revs and then settles back down to 2300
I don’t understand how I wouldn’t see that with a smoke testVacuum leak, likely a gasket under the throttle body. Get a can of carb clean, let it idle and spray around various gasket/vacuum ports in the intake tract until she stumbles.
That's because NTK no longer makes them.
They came up with a universal part that's basically with a longer wire or something...instead of two identical parts one with 6 inches more of wire.
What voltages are showing for the O2s in ODB live data? Anything below.9v generally and simplistically saying is a significant a good O2 sensor.
Also...the PCM doesn't change idle based on O2s.
It's either vacuum or your IAC...and since you don't have a stock TB perhaps that's the issue?
-Mac
Last week I had a high idle issue after having a dead battery from leaving the dome light on over night. I charged the battery, and drove around as usual for a day and everything was normal. On day two I noticed the idle speed was above 1100rpms, I was thinking a vacuum leak or IAC but for kicks I disconnected the battery for 30 minuets with both cables touching. After 30 minuets I hooked everything back up and the idle returned to normal. Easy fixes don't usually happen for me but that day the stars aligned.![]()
The elbow in the back is gray, and it has the part number 53030495 Stamped on it. From what I’ve read that’s the correct for the rear.
Thanks Zorba, I pulled both front and back to compare, the front is wide open the rear isn’t. Here’s a shitty pic of the rearAgain, most of the parts lists are WRONG. Looking up that PN online gave me "Crankcase Vent To Air Cleaner Tube" which is also WRONG for the rear. But don't believe me nor the parts lists - inspect it and you'll know in short order - far faster than fiddling with the IAC.
I have tried everything I can think of at this point, I need help from the experts. The symptoms are idle starts out about 1100 then after about a minute it quickly climbs to about 2300.
History: swapped in a low mileage 4.0, drove it for a couple days with no idle issues. Had an exhaust leak from the manifold gasket. I had been collecting parts I was planning on throwing on my stroker build, figured since I was pulling it all apart to get to the gasket I might as well throw them on instead of letting them sit for 2 more years. So installed Edlebrock head, Clifford headers with custom down pipes new muffler and new nkt O2s, sheet metal intake manifold, oversized TB, windstar intake. I relocated the evap system and cruise control module due to genright fender install.
What I have done: did a smoke test on the vacuum system and I am not seeing anything. I had a NIB mopar IAC so I put that in. Throttle cables seem to move freely. No codes.
Thanks
You say you swapped back to the original TB and that fixed it, but I see you swapped back to the original IAC and it fixed it. I suspect bad new IAC. Did you ever run the new TB with the old IAC?I just put the old TB on and it’s sitting as a steady 700. Same gasket, same sensors. Hell, everything’s only finger tight Because I expected to pull it right back off
Now the question is why is the larger TB causing the problem?
@SkylinesSuck I think you said you were running the same throttlebody as I am. Did you have any issues with the idle when you installed it?
I sent an email to Bruce over at F&B, Don’t expect a response today because of the holiday but hopefully tomorrow maybe he has some insight
You say you swapped back to the original TB and that fixed it, but I see you swapped back to the original IAC and it fixed it. I suspect bad new IAC. Did you ever run the new TB with the old IAC?
Sorry for the confusion, let me break it down:
New TB old IAC = high idle.
New TB new IAC = high idle.
Old TB old IAC = runs perfect.
I think you answered your own question. Run the old TB and IAC. You have an issue with the new throttle body. Could be the taper where the IAC seats in the throttle body. The mounting distance between the mounting and taper seat of the IAC. You may have a butterfly or throttle shaft binding hanging the throttle open. If you can read the pods with a scan tool look at the IAC to see if you can read the duty cycle or percentage, if you see it trying to close all the way but you still have a high idle it is probably mechanical not in the electronics
I didn’t swap the TB till this morning, that definitely isolated the issue (post 26).
I will have to see if I have access to the IAC data, I might need something better than what I have now which is just a cheap Bluetooth dongle and DashCmd. I don’t know if there’s a better app for iPhone
Thanks Zorba, I pulled both front and back to compare, the front is wide open the rear isn’t. Here’s a shitty pic of the rearView attachment 555375
If I tap the pedal it revs and then settles back down to 2300
I didn’t swap the TB till this morning, that definitely isolated the issue (post 26).
I will have to see if I have access to the IAC data, I might need something better than what I have now which is just a cheap Bluetooth dongle and DashCmd. I don’t know if there’s a better app for iPhone
And for reference, I ordered this one through Hesco: 68MM Performance Throttle Body #FB68J.
