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lBasket said:
Is it that bad?
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Years ago I saw a 81 VW Scirocco , It was in great shape and I could buy it for $3500.00. This was in 2002 . When I checked with my Farmers agent , the best they could do was 200/mo. , because it was a " high performance car " . It had the same 1.7 CIS engine with 74 h.p. that a Golf had. I could insure a 81 Golf for 71/mo. :rolleyes:
 
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BlueC said:
Not arguing with you, just curious, what kind of mileage are you talking and in what vehicles? Comparing similar cars, I see big blocks getting similar mileage to a small block in similar cars. It takes a specific amount of fuel to make X power, no matter the engine displacement. For example, my 413 Chrysler will average around 17 on the highway, while a similar size car with 327 small block Chevy might squeeze out 18ish. On that same note, my 5.7 HEMI will struggle to get 17 on the highway, if it can even get to 17.
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I would offer up the trucks that got/get 11 MPG period & then if towing much beyond anything they got 7 MPG max...

But I drive with a heavy foot so if I could get 18 MPG out of any V-8 I'd be thrilled...
 
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ColoJeep said:
Years ago I saw a 81 VW Scirocco , It was in great shape and I could buy it for $3500.00. This was in 2002 . When I checked with my Farmers agent , the best they could do was 200/mo. , because it was a " high performance car " . It had the same 1.7 CIS engine with 74 h.p. that a Golf had. I could insure a 81 Golf for 71/mo. :rolleyes:
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2002 😵‍💫
 
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ColoJeep said:
Years ago I saw a 81 VW Scirocco , It was in great shape and I could buy it for $3500.00. This was in 2002 . When I checked with my Farmers agent , the best they could do was 200/mo. , because it was a " high performance car " . It had the same 1.7 CIS engine with 74 h.p. that a Golf had. I could insure a 81 Golf for 71/mo. :rolleyes:
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Just like my Super Sport Chevelle that cost $100 more a month to insure than a non-Super Sport version and the only real difference was the SS badge...

lBasket said:
2002 😵‍💫
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We know you were in short pants then...
 
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BlueC said:
Not arguing with you, just curious, what kind of mileage are you talking and in what vehicles? Comparing similar cars, I see big blocks getting similar mileage to a small block in similar cars. It takes a specific amount of fuel to make X power, no matter the engine displacement. For example, my 413 Chrysler will average around 17 on the highway, while a similar size car with 327 small block Chevy might squeeze out 18ish. On that same note, my 5.7 HEMI will struggle to get 17 on the highway, if it can even get to 17.
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Whoa ,Whoa , Whoaaaa there , it's not even a little fair to compare the mileage of a 413 New Yorker to anything else !
Especially , since it has a Torqueflite auto trans without overdrive or a lockup converter. Also it is a little known fact that a 65 New Yorker has the lowest cd. drag of any car produced. ;)

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BlueC said:
Not arguing with you, just curious, what kind of mileage are you talking and in what vehicles? Comparing similar cars, I see big blocks getting similar mileage to a small block in similar cars. It takes a specific amount of fuel to make X power, no matter the engine displacement. For example, my 413 Chrysler will average around 17 on the highway, while a similar size car with 327 small block Chevy might squeeze out 18ish. On that same note, my 5.7 HEMI will struggle to get 17 on the highway, if it can even get to 17.
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I know what you're saying about fuel to move a vehicle. Though I would say power to move it. Different motors have different fuel consumption at different outputs,etc. Sounds like your 413 is right in the sweet spot! I've found smaller motors don't necessarily get better mileage in the same vehicle if they are working too hard to be efficient.

My direct experience with smallblock/big block/diesel in the same chassis is with chevy 2500hd trucks. Diesel is king because of efficiency,and can make the most streetable power. 6.0l vortec comes in second at low teens mpg empty, 8.1l big block is less than 10mpg no matter what and has less power than the diesel.

I've never seen a big block anything that got good mileage. To me it makes sense to just use a modern diesel in its place.

Each to their own. I have a friend who put a 650hp 495 in his 55 chevy truck and it is scary fast. Perfect for what he wanted. You can feel that truck idling from a distance.

He has also done a couple LS swaps. Those get driven a lot more.
 
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ColoJeep said:
Whoa ,Whoa , Whoaaaa there , it's not even a little fair to compare the mileage of a 413 New Yorker to anything else !
Especially , since it has a Torqueflite auto trans without overdrive or a lockup converter.

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Well, I was more so comparing the New Yorker to my hardtop '64 with Powerglide. Both 1:1 final drive, both cars are geared high (Chevy =3.08, Chry 2.71 or 2.91) and they both weight about the same according to the books, although the Chrysler has about an extra 400-500 lbs.

The 413 specs are 350 hp, 470 tq, while the Chevy is 327, 300 hp, 350ish tq. So about 100 cubes, and over 100 ft/lbs difference.

ColoJeep said:
Also it is a little known fact that a 65 New Yorker has the lowest cd. drag of any car produced. ;)
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Believe it or not, a '65 Chrysler was entered into some kind of endurance/fuel mileage race back in 1965 and took 1st place for the big girl class. I'm pretty sure that was the official class title. :sneaky: I can't locate the article right now, so I can't tell you the details of the car or race, but if I remember correctly, they averaged over 19 mpg in that car.
 
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BlueC said:
I bought my first 2 weeks after I turned 14. ;) Damn thing still haunts me.
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I was 13 when I bought my first car... 1950 sedan... Got it from a girlfriends dad. Never did get it running...

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I was 13 . :LOL:
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I was already driving @14 with a friends mom... She'd forget how old I really was or didn't care... Not sure which but in the winter when there was snow on the roads she'd always let me drive.
 
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Wildman said:
God I HOPE i don't look like this...
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You probably already do to your daughter and her friends... 😀

ColoJeep said:
Years ago I saw a 81 VW Scirocco , It was in great shape and I could buy it for $3500.00. This was in 2002 . When I checked with my Farmers agent , the best they could do was 200/mo. , because it was a " high performance car " . It had the same 1.7 CIS engine with 74 h.p. that a Golf had. I could insure a 81 Golf for 71/mo. :rolleyes:
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This is true, and it was an issue from when the car sold new. I had a Rabbit of the same era, the cars shared many parts but the Scirocco was absurdly more expensive to insure, all based on appearance/perception really. Always thought the Scirocco was cool.
 
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chili_pepper said:
You probably already do to your daughter and her friends... 😀
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Really know how to ruin my morning.... Because I was "older" when I had her people used to ask her when she was in school if I was her grandpa... 😁

chili_pepper said:
This is true, and it was an issue from when the car sold new. I had a Rabbit of the same era, the cars shared many parts but the Scirocco was absurdly more expensive to insure, all based on appearance/perception really. Always thought the Scirocco was cool.
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I owned a German version of the Scirocco but I don't remember the insurance being that much on it... Now when I was only 18 & had a Triumph Spitfire I was paying $1K per year for basic coverage. This was in 1979 BTW.... And yes I know some of you weren't even a stain on someone's underwear yet...
 
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